The Royal's

[sue12]

we have two litters at the mo and two due over the next couple of days so The Royals were the first to be born on 2nd Feb mum is Bracken SH satin Golden out of my lovely Sakura, she carries cinnamon and cream dad is my recently made up to champion Prince Caspian LH REC, both parents have lovely natures and are of good type (though Bracken could do with a slightly broader head) this litter should producs

REC
BEC
Cinnamon
Golen
in LH and SH and some being satin also

babies are now furred up and got a glimspe in the nest this morning looks like we have 8+ but there is one REALLY odd pup it looks to be cream/pale in colour but is COVERED in what looks like BLACK markings/spots/ticking cant really tell at this stage but I have to admit I am stumped at what this could beany ideas? as soon as is possible I will try and get a picture but nest is really deep

any babies not staying her will be found loving forever homes

[Gill]

Congratulations Sue - will be very interested to see what the baby turns out to be. You know me and genetics! I have no idea.

[fionasteel]

Congratulations, and how interesting!

I look forward to seeing the pictures. Perhaps you have a spontaneous mutation and something altogether new!

[nooboo]

you sure its not little cuts or blood splatters? guess you know what thats like though so it wont be that! same goes with yellow black/honey black! in case someone had yellow!

[melbourne]

Congrtulations Sue,It will be interesting to see what the little one turns out to be.Would like a little one to come my way,please.

[sue12]

you sure its not little cuts or blood splatters? guess you know what thats like though so it wont be that! same goes with yellow black/honey black! in case someone had yellow!

definately not injuries or blood got another quick glimpse think I saw cheek flashes so I'm guessing its now ticking as apposed to black spots, its a very pale creamy colour with very dark ticking it can't be yellow as neither parent is I keep thinking I must be seeing things but it is definately different, could it be sepia?

[nooboo]

Sure the golden isnt a tort pretending? does happen i had a dove that only developed a tiny patch on her tummy that wasnt even noticeable till she was nearly 5 month old! i wouldnt have thought a champ cream would be a ghost cream but i guess its possible (if not very plausible!)

If its silver grey in the mix one of the parents again would have to be (i guess thats what you mean by sepia, heterozygous silver grey)!! Unless its another shared recessive and something like dark grey in there? Looks like you will have to look further back in the pedigrees, see what else could possibility be lurking on either side... or hidden in one!

EDIT: just thought.... could the golden be golden umbrous? so its a mink or sable? or is there really quite distinct flashes?

Thats about all i can think of though, for something to have a pale undercoat is usually means yellow or silver grey is in play...which would mean thats in one of the parents!

That or we are really trying to pin down colours too early and in a few days time it will look totally different again :p

[sue12]

it may well be that the colour hasn't developed as well as the others yet, so I will leave the babies now and check in a few days, it will probably turn out to be a really bad golden

mum definately not tort or umbrous

Bracken is satin golden,
parents are satin BEC (dad) x cinnamon (mum),
grandparents are cinny x cinny and are golden x golden (both carrying cream)

Pr Caspian is from pure cream lines

[nooboo]

yeah sounds more likely that the undercoat has yet to develop and its a cinnie or a golden (depending on eye colour)! guess time will tell!

[sue12]

right I have managed a couple of pics of odd baby not great as taken with a zoom lense when mum was having porridge and nest is very deep.

quick question if mum carries cream and dad is cream wouldnt the cream then mask the yellow (if it is yellow) and give you only ghost yellows and not this really darkly marked baby, babies ears are not black they are light grey at the mo,

first pic is odd pup next to golden

babies head with odd broken cheek flashes



this pup is not a runt it is nice and chunky all other pups are true to what we were expecting REC, cinnamon, golden, BEC